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Joe D'Trader
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:05:00 -
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Joe D'Trader
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:26:00 -
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Temulkar Blaine wrote:I applaud CCP for this decision, I will explain why before I am accused of being a political tool. In the EU we have clear laws about behaviour on the internet and in public that differ dramatically from the US. in America your right to freedom of speech is guarenteed by the first ammendment. In Europe freedom of speech is limited by the law in ways your country does not it seems understand. Before you start to call us all fascists as has been said on some threads, think about the history of the last century in Europe and ask yourself why we have limited freedom of speech to protect against hate. In recent months in the UK in paticular the profile of cyber offences, cyber bullying, trolling has been very much in the public eye. Cases of teenage suicides after a message on a social networking site like this example http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-14239702 made national headlines. EU law protects people from offensive behaviour on the internet and does not allow the anononymity of the web protect offendors when the use the internet as a medium to bully or spread hate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16144640 people have been given sentences lasting into years for offences carried out in the internet. Perhaps the timing of this incident was most ill fated for Alexander, In the last month we have had a high profile case of a celebrity being targetted by a cyber bully and anti social behavior on the internet has been on the news and on prime time TV and questions have been asked in paliament. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17399027 . Even worse timing wise is the very high profile case of a student jailed for a drunken abusive rant on twitter about a seriously ill footballer that aroused comdemnation from all quarters. The student was jailed in the last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587I sympathise with americans who assume protection from the first ammendment gives you the right to say what you want be as offensive as you want on the internet press whatever. This is not the case in the rest of the world and certainly not in Europe and Alexander maybe forgot that in Iceland. Perhaps those members of the CSM who have objected to this decision need to consider this issue and see the wider impolications of this act and also the different international interpretatinos of both what is legal and what is decent and acceptable. Again I would actually like to stress this is not a political post not a wum, This is actually somthing very good that CCP has done in sending out a clear message that certain behaviour will not be tolerated. It sucks for Alexander yes Im sure but he will bounce back from it if he wants to.
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Joe D'Trader
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:39:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Rebecca Aventine wrote:I didn't envy Alex or CCP when this broke.
I respect Alex a great deal for making his apology, but regretably this was always the most realistic outcome. What makes this bad is that CCP yanked the CSM's chain. They sent one message to the CSM and then quite another entirely as their official position. The fallout wouldn't be nearly so bad without that misstep. -Liang The CSM reached a wrong decision. Alex Gianturco's actions were indefensible really and rather than manning up and telling him he had to go they tried to fool themselves about the scope of the damage done by Alex's drunken antics at Fanfest. This is the problem with sycophancy in a nutshell. Last year they got so used to being beta males to the Mittani's alpha that they lost their collective backbone and the problem now is that the CSM iself is out of touch with the player base it is supposed to represent.
Jade, so democracy only works when you agree with the conclusions? The CSM was going to talk about what they decided, including removing Mittens, this was cut short by CCP. What kind of independent body is the CSM now? |

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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:48:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Joe D'Trader wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Rebecca Aventine wrote:I didn't envy Alex or CCP when this broke.
I respect Alex a great deal for making his apology, but regretably this was always the most realistic outcome. What makes this bad is that CCP yanked the CSM's chain. They sent one message to the CSM and then quite another entirely as their official position. The fallout wouldn't be nearly so bad without that misstep. -Liang The CSM reached a wrong decision. Alex Gianturco's actions were indefensible really and rather than manning up and telling him he had to go they tried to fool themselves about the scope of the damage done by Alex's drunken antics at Fanfest. This is the problem with sycophancy in a nutshell. Last year they got so used to being beta males to the Mittani's alpha that they lost their collective backbone and the problem now is that the CSM iself is out of touch with the player base it is supposed to represent. Jade, so democracy only works when you agree with the conclusions? The CSM was going to talk about what they decided, including removing Mittens, this was cut short by CCP. What kind of independent body is the CSM now? sigh really. CSM was never independent of game rules and enforcement of eula/tos. And certainly never "independent" of the need to represent the game in a positive light. Yes this current CSM has probably lost some credibility by attempting to keep Alexander Gianturco in position which was a stupid move.
You've played this game longer than I have, you were around when the CSM was actually formed and why it was formed. The CSM should be independent. They are adults and yes it is CCP's game, but interfering with a democratically elected body that in part is there to ensure that CCP is being "fair" in game is a horrible precedent. |

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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:59:00 -
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Lt Pizi wrote:Quote:
You've played this game longer than I have, you were around when the CSM was actually formed and why it was formed. The CSM should be independent. They are adults and yes it is CCP's game, but interfering with a democratically elected body that in part is there to ensure that CCP is being "fair" in game is a horrible precedent.
hate to be the bringer of bad news to you but 1 , a member of the CSM has just shown that he isnt adult enough to handle alcohol and 2, CSM was never a democracy
Dude, do you know why the CSM was made? Please tell me you have more than a 2 year history. |

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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:01:00 -
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Lt Pizi wrote:Joe D'Trader wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Quote:
You've played this game longer than I have, you were around when the CSM was actually formed and why it was formed. The CSM should be independent. They are adults and yes it is CCP's game, but interfering with a democratically elected body that in part is there to ensure that CCP is being "fair" in game is a horrible precedent.
hate to be the bringer of bad news to you but 1 , a member of the CSM has just shown that he isnt adult enough to handle alcohol and 2, CSM was never a democracy Dude, do you know why the CSM was made? Please tell me you have more than a 2 year history. and that is exactly relevant to my post how ?
You are saying this isn't a democracy. It is very much a democracy and you knowing or not know WHY it was made should help you to understand why it is a democracy. |

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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:03:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Joe D'Trader wrote:[You've played this game longer than I have, you were around when the CSM was actually formed and why it was formed. The CSM should be independent. They are adults and yes it is CCP's game, but interfering with a democratically elected body that in part is there to ensure that CCP is being "fair" in game is a horrible precedent. So given the CSM was formed partially as an oversight body to look at CCPs internal proceedures and ensure t20 didn't happen again and was supposed to include players of good character and trustworthy community-centric outlook - how do you propose that kind of body could get any real respect if it was not itself held to the standards expected of the rest of the community? You cannot be "independent" of the need to have the interests of Eve Online and its player community at heart. The real problem with Alexander Gianturco is he didn't really give a monkeys about the Eve online community - he only cared for SA and goonswarm. But regardless CCP have acted fairly in punishing him quite leniently really. Many players would have liked to see him permabanned for what he did so a 30 day ban is a slap on the wrists. The real punishment has been delivered to goonswarm itself whose players have wasted their votes, but to be honest, goonswarm probably deserve this punishment as well given their appalling behaviour on the forums over this incident.
I don't necessarily disagree with his 30 day ban, and yes I fully agree that it is well withing CCPs right to do it. But there are rights and there is intellegence. This isn't the most intellegent process. CCP could have and should have told the CSM that due to Mittens actions they believe it is best if he isn't on the CSM this year. THE CSM should have made this announcement.
Are they a rubber stamp or are they an actual useful body? |

Joe D'Trader
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:07:00 -
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Lt Pizi wrote:
You are saying this isn't a democracy. It is very much a democracy and you knowing or not know WHY it was made should help you to understand why it is a democracy.
in an democracy you cannot buy the right to vote with just 15 bucks a month
if you know why it was formed , you would more see it as an guide to CCP, they may follow it or not
CCP is like putin
CCP is like Putin... so I shouldn't pay any attention to you then, ok. Have a nice day. Scroll up and see Jade's response. That is a semi well thought out response. |

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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:13:00 -
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Lt Pizi wrote:Joe D'Trader wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:
You are saying this isn't a democracy. It is very much a democracy and you knowing or not know WHY it was made should help you to understand why it is a democracy.
in an democracy you cannot buy the right to vote with just 15 bucks a month
if you know why it was formed , you would more see it as an guide to CCP, they may follow it or not
CCP is like putin
CCP is like Putin... so I shouldn't pay any attention to you then, ok. Have a nice day. Scroll up and see Jade's response. That is a semi well thought out response. another advice for you you will get badrepped from your buddies for praising jade ...
You know nothing about me. You see unlike you I try very hard to be independent and as unbiased as I possibly can. I don't give a damn if people dislike Jade, read what he actually wrote and understand you ignorant kunt. The CSM should be a democracy, it is CCP's game, and they are well within their rights to disband the CSM, but not only would it be bad PR it would just be downright bad business decision. And this is also a bad decision. The CSM either is an actual body that is independent or it is a useless rubber stamp and either next month or 6 years from now another Incarna will occur because CCP doesn't listen to advice from the one body of players elected to give them advice. |

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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:24:00 -
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Lt Pizi wrote:Joe D'Trader wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Joe D'Trader wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:
You are saying this isn't a democracy. It is very much a democracy and you knowing or not know WHY it was made should help you to understand why it is a democracy.
in an democracy you cannot buy the right to vote with just 15 bucks a month
if you know why it was formed , you would more see it as an guide to CCP, they may follow it or not
CCP is like putin
CCP is like Putin... so I shouldn't pay any attention to you then, ok. Have a nice day. Scroll up and see Jade's response. That is a semi well thought out response. another advice for you you will get badrepped from your buddies for praising jade ... You know nothing about me. You see unlike you I try very hard to be independent and as unbiased as I possibly can. I don't give a damn if people dislike Jade, read what he actually wrote and understand you ignorant kunt. The CSM should be a democracy, it is CCP's game, and they are well within their rights to disband the CSM, but not only would it be bad PR it would just be downright bad business decision. And this is also a bad decision. The CSM either is an actual body that is independent or it is a useless rubber stamp and either next month or 6 years from now another Incarna will occur because CCP doesn't listen to advice from the one body of players elected to give them advice. the CSM never was and never will be the final ruling power in eve thats not how you run a company or an MMO i told you allready , in an democracy you cannot buy unlimit voting slots as long as you have the bucks for it and my dear unbaised friend dont curse at me , thx
You are ignorant, maybe not a kunt but very very ignorant. There is a difference between independence and final ruling power. The supreme court is independent, but isn't considered a ruling power. CCP interfering with the operation of the CSM when the CSM announced it would be meeting to discuss the situation interferes with it's independence. Also do you have a reading defecit?
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it is CCP's game, and they are well within their rights to disband the CSM |
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